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TiVo Release 14.9 and Metadata
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wmcbrine



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually it appears to be broken even if I transfer back a real .TiVo file, as-is, and freshly extracted from the same unit. So in other words, they didn't just break pyTivo; it's broken for everyone.
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philhu



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow!

I wonder what was so urgent to put that out so quickly.

Sounds like it was rushed out with no QC checks.

You gotta kinda wonder if Tivo is down to 1-2 programmers now.

This broke, they NEVER finished the HD GUI, can't even get the code straightened out for dual core premiere machines
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well they went a lot further toward finishing the HDUI with 20.x, you have to give them that. It's quite nice-looking.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got tvRating back by adding it to the short-form metadata (in the container list), as 20.2 does. In my repo now. I'll see what else I can do.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all you do to keep pyTivo working. They'll probably break it all again when 2.1 releases (TiVo calls the 20.2 release 2.0).
I'm contracting at TiVo, nothing to do with the boxes, though. I don't represent TiVo nor am I speaking in anyway on TiVo's behalf.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wmcbrine wrote:
Well they went a lot further toward finishing the HDUI with 20.x, you have to give them that. It's quite nice-looking.


FINALLY!

Does it have hd guide?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wmcbrine wrote:
I got tvRating back by adding it to the short-form metadata (in the container list), as 20.2 does. In my repo now. I'll see what else I can do.

mpaaRating, too.

epsiodeNumber appears in the short-form metadata but is still not honored. Sad

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if it's just me or not, but since the update to 20.2, it's again ignoring the dates in the meta file and using the create date of the video file. I'm also not seeing the actors and directors being copied. Series title, episode title, channel, and rating work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JoeInMV wrote:
I don't know if it's just me or not, but since the update to 20.2, it's again ignoring the dates in the meta file and using the create date of the video file. I'm also not seeing the actors and directors being copied. Series title, episode title, channel, and rating work.

http://pytivo.sourceforge.net/forum/post12784.html#12784

Yes, in 20.2, the TiVo is ignoring everything in the extended metadata (the TvBus request). It's even ignoring the headers within .TiVo files (normally the same as TvBus). There's nothing that can be done about it now, unless TiVo fixes their bug.

At least I can say that pyTivo is ahead of TiVo Desktop -- pyTivo can transfer the rating and the showingBits, TD doesn't (even with .TiVo files, as noted). This only works because I copied those items to the short-form (container) metadata. It's possible there are other items that would work this way, but I haven't found them.

The only thing that gives me pause is, this doesn't seem to happen with MRV (i.e. TiVo-to-TiVo) transfers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had a second TiVo, I'd try doing some packet capture to see what's bering passed between the two TiVos.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the TiVo is now broken and won't take the part of the metadata that includes the "time" and the "originalAirDate", but it is using the timestamp of the file itself (ie not the timestamp of when it pulled the file from pyTivo, but the OS timestamp of the source file)?

So that means that pyTivo is doing a "stat()" on the file and getting the lastmod timestamp and sending that to the TiVo at some point in the process, either as an individual timestamp bit of data or part of a record of information relating to the file. Could you not a) check if that file has a metadata file, b) check if the metadata has the "time" field, and c) if so, substitute the time and date from that for the file's last mod time? Perhaps there is some reason why that would be a bad idea, but I think that would actually optimize some of the TiVo's browsing behavior even if this current TiVo broken-ness wasn't broken. IE I always want the TiVo to think the file has the last mod time from the metadata and not the real last mod time.

p.s. Thanks for figuring out and fixing (when possible) these issues so quickly. I "fixed" the breakage a couple months ago by just removing the tvRating field from my metadatas, even getting the basics working again this time required your recent fixes, and I'm happy to get at least that much working again!
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a workaround for the missing time metadata in my repo now. Basically it now works exactly as before 20.2, including with "time: file" and "time: oad" keywords. (While doing this, I also found a bug in the handling of originalAirDate, when it's set to the file time -- a time zone issue.)

I think your suggestion of using the time value from metadata even when browsing has merit, but it's more complicated to do. Maybe later.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is great; thanks.

I don't know what is most important to others, but to me not getting the "time" to transfer was the biggest annoyance since it affects sorting of the "my shows" list.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for fixing the OAD issue! I agree with mrman that that was the most important break to fix.

What's the prognosis for getting the extended metadata included again?
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