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grumblebunny



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:51 am    Post subject: Which ffmpeg? Reply with quote

I would like to say in my first post that pyTivo is fantastic. It works very, very well and I am grateful for the hard work that has gone into developing, maintaining, documenting and supporting it. I find pyTivo faster, more flexible, and stable than the TiVo Desktop solution. And I've had fun poking around with all the features.

I have a brief question about which ffmpeg to use. I apologize if this is covered somewhere. I could not find it. The Windows install instructions say:

"5. Grab the latest Rdian06 build of FFmpeg for pyTivo"

This certainly works out of the box. I am wondering, though, if there is any reason why I would not want to use another build from somewhere else.

As an experiment, I'm trying the April 9, 2012 Windows static build from Zeranoe (linked from the ffmpeg page) and it seems to be working very well in my setup with video and music. But "Step 5" is causing me to second guess myself.

Thanks for any replies and warmest regards.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think he had a patch to reduce the incidence of "non-monotone timestamp" errors. I'm not sure what else.

(I have no opinion on what build you should use, myself.)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Which ffmpeg? Reply with quote

grumblebunny wrote:
As an experiment, I'm trying the April 9, 2012 Windows static build from Zeranoe (linked from the ffmpeg page) and it seems to be working very well in my setup with video and music. But "Step 5" is causing me to second guess myself.

Have you tried it on a .tivo file? If I use the latest version of ffmpeg, they are all detected as "Transferring prohibited by the copyright holder".
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Which ffmpeg? Reply with quote

lpwcomp wrote:
Have you tried it on a .tivo file? If I use the latest version of ffmpeg, they are all detected as "Transferring prohibited by the copyright holder".

How annoying. I wonder how/why they would break this? I guess I'll have to revert to the blind pass-through of .TiVo files that pyTivo used to do. Sad

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Which ffmpeg? Reply with quote

wmcbrine wrote:
lpwcomp wrote:
Have you tried it on a .tivo file? If I use the latest version of ffmpeg, they are all detected as "Transferring prohibited by the copyright holder".

How annoying. I wonder how/why they would break this? I guess I'll have to revert to the blind pass-through of .TiVo files that pyTivo used to do. Sad

Bear in mind that I am running Win2K, if that makes a difference. Which it may, since I also seem to be unable to find any pyTivo-ffmpeg combination that will allow me to transfer a TS format .tivo file back to the Tivo. This is not really a problem for me since the only reason I was investigating the option was to see if closed captions were available that way (for a Premiere) and lluvatar has reported that they aren't.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, that's pyTivo, it doesn't support TS format .tivo files yet.* I'll fix that soon.

* Well, I should say, my fork doesn't. Lucas has some support for it, not sure if that works with U.S. TiVos or not.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wmcbrine wrote:
No, that's pyTivo, it doesn't support TS format .tivo files yet.* I'll fix that soon.

* Well, I should say, my fork doesn't. Lucas has some support for it, not sure if that works with U.S. TiVos or not.

I tried all three forks. I expected your fork not to work yet but I thought the other two were supposed to work on U.S. Premieres.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The captions issue is a Premiere problem. TS or PS files.

The lucasnz and my fork (the patch from lucasnz originally) have support for TTG transferring of TS .tivo files. Luke has a second branch off his main fork called mpeg-ts which I believe was meant to transfer .ts files natively to the TiVo (keep in mind he has a NZ TiVo). It was very broken the last time I tested it. Last update was 14 months ago.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Which ffmpeg? Reply with quote

grumblebunny wrote:

"5. Grab the latest Rdian06 build of FFmpeg for pyTivo"

This certainly works out of the box. I am wondering, though, if there is any reason why I would not want to use another build from somewhere else.

As an experiment, I'm trying the April 9, 2012 Windows static build from Zeranoe (linked from the ffmpeg page) and it seems to be working very well in my setup with video and music. But "Step 5" is causing me to second guess myself.


This is suggested because it works very well and at one point (maybe still) it was very hard to find a working FFmpeg build for windows that had all the proper codec support built in one would need for pyTivo.

Certainly use any FFmpeg build you want. Different builds means different levels of media support however. If you want to be certain of what it can handle then I would go with custom compiling one that suits your needs.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:02 am    Post subject: Re: Which ffmpeg? Reply with quote

Iluvatar wrote:

This is suggested because it works very well and at one point (maybe still) it was very hard to find a working FFmpeg build for windows that had all the proper codec support built in one would need for pyTivo.

Certainly use any FFmpeg build you want. Different builds means different levels of media support however. If you want to be certain of what it can handle then I would go with custom compiling one that suits your needs.


Thanks to everyone for the replies. I will take a look at building something since it turns out there was indeed some "stuff missing" from the alternate build I was using. I still need to identify what that "stuff" was. Adventure...

Thanks once again!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@wmcbrine On the ffmpeg and .tivo files. I found I had to pass them through tivodecode in order for ffmpeg to accurately identify the file (it works on some files, mpeg-ts seems to be worse than ps) ... I think that's what it does in my mpeg-ts fork.

And yes, my mpeg-ts fork doesn't really work. It sort of worked on NZ tivos. TV is only transmitted in mpeg-ts down under, so they've obviously tweaked the software a bit to allow that to work. Tivo desktop can transfer mpeg-ts .tivo files in both directions on a NZ tivo.

My main fork really only has support for downloading mpeg-ts. It's a little behind wmcbrine and Iluvatar's forks. I'm about half way through integrating the recent changes.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Which ffmpeg? Reply with quote

Hmmm.... I was never able to get ffmpeg to build but it looks like the current w32 static build at http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/ is working and giving slightly higher transcode performance -- at least on my setup. I am using a HD TiVo so I may not see the "non-monotone timestamp" issues.
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